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    Change to R Class licensing - 1st July 2018

    Yes it is finally happening, still trying to source the DOT Official documentation, but for now ...

    From July 1st 2018, people who have had their RE license for more than 24 months will be automatically upgraded to the R. This means if you have done your RE license less than 24 months you will have to wait.

    The rules donít change till the July 1st so anyone that has had your license for over 12 months or would have it for 12 months before July 1st, you can upgrade your license and avoiding waiting an extra 12 months.

    So unless you want to have to wait the full 24 months, or part thereof, GO DO YOUR R TEST NOW

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    Hopefully when they have actually worked out how they are going to do this the transition will be smooth.

    I'm seeing if this does take affect that insurance costs might start creeping up and up, due to the number of increased stacks. we'll see

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    Thanks for the update Sandra.

    Although, I would have thought that the removal of the R class licence test would have contradicted the safe driver/rider cornerstone of the State Government Road Safety Strategy.

    I hope that this, combined with the reduction of post licence rider and driver training providers doesn't adversely impact on road toll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -JC- View Post
    Thanks for the update Sandra.

    Although, I would have thought that the removal of the R class licence test would have contradicted the safe driver/rider cornerstone of the State Government Road Safety Strategy.

    I hope that this, combined with the reduction of post licence rider and driver training providers doesn't adversely impact on road toll.

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    Of course riders fatalities will increase!! Most R-E learner riders are taught on pathetic 150-200cc bikes and do minimal lessons. Scrape through a ridiculously easy licence test and then get progressively worse in their riding and roadcraft skills.. The removal of the R class assessment is nothing but a cost cutting exercise by the Government budget cuts to all public sectors ( Police, Hospitals, Transport etc) .

    The removal of this vital area of re-assessment is absolute craziness, it will cost a lot of motorcycle instructors there livelihood too, will be a great time to be in the funeral parlour business Im guessing

    It also goes to prove that money is and alway will be more important than actual road safety and saving lives
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneville View Post
    Yes it is finally happening, still trying to source the DOT Official documentation, but for now ...

    From July 1st 2018, people who have had their RE license for more than 24 months will be automatically upgraded to the R. This means if you have done your RE license less than 24 months you will have to wait.

    The rules donít change till the July 1st so anyone that has had your license for over 12 months or would have it for 12 months before July 1st, you can upgrade your license and avoiding waiting an extra 12 months.

    So unless you want to have to wait the full 24 months, or part thereof, GO DO YOUR R TEST NOW

    Doesn't affect me at all but curious, are you saying that if I got my RE in say May 2016 that on 1/7/18 I automatically get sent an R class licence without having to sit another test? If so nice they don't need to do a second test and pay extra money

    Also are you saying that if I got my RE in say May 2017 but don't sit the R class test before 30/6/18 I'd have to wait till May 2019?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Para045 View Post
    Doesn't affect me at all but curious, are you saying that if I got my RE in say May 2016 that on 1/7/18 I automatically get sent an R class licence without having to sit another test? If so nice they don't need to do a second test and pay extra money

    Also are you saying that if I got my RE in say May 2017 but don't sit the R class test before 30/6/18 I'd have to wait till May 2019?
    First part is correct, second part, no, I'd say they would put in the option of actually sitting an R class test before then if you wanted to, but they still don't really know what they are doing.

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    Of course riders fatalities will increase!! Most R-E learner riders are taught on pathetic 150-200cc bikes and do minimal lessons. Scrape through a ridiculously easy licence test and then get progressively worse in their riding and roadcraft skills.. The removal of the R class assessment is nothing but a cost cutting exercise by the Government budget cuts to all public sectors ( Police, Hospitals, Transport etc) .

    The removal of this vital area of re-assessment is absolute craziness, it will cost a lot of motorcycle instructors there livelihood too, will be a great time to be in the funeral parlour business Im guessing

    It also goes to prove that money is and alway will be more important than actual road safety and saving lives
    I am with you Chris on this and all the other Instructors and quite a few Assessor's I'd say
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    Quote Originally Posted by westy74 View Post
    Of course riders fatalities will increase!! Most R-E learner riders are taught on pathetic 150-200cc bikes and do minimal lessons. Scrape through a ridiculously easy licence test and then get progressively worse in their riding and roadcraft skills.. The removal of the R class assessment is nothing but a cost cutting exercise by the Government budget cuts to all public sectors ( Police, Hospitals, Transport etc) .

    The removal of this vital area of re-assessment is absolute craziness, it will cost a lot of motorcycle instructors there livelihood too, will be a great time to be in the funeral parlour business Im guessing

    It also goes to prove that money is and alway will be more important than actual road safety and saving lives
    I feel you are right victoria already has the same idea and while my young bloke was over there he turned his wa l lams or whatever they call it now to a unlimited license ,no test so from a kymco 250 cruiser type bike with 5000 kays on it to a 1000cc sp1 honda with only just over a years experience he has had a couple of falls and should have got some training for sure i didn't teach him at all because we were against him getting a motorcycle.

    When i first started riding they threw a k class at you here with hardly any kind of test ,just around the corner really and then straight on to a z1 900 ,which is why a lot of guy's i started riding with didn't see 20 ,as did a lot of rider's in australia back then until they introduced the l class which cut the road toll on bikes over night which is why most of the baby boomer's riding still today are pretty good rider's you learnt quick or you gave up or just crashed and then gave up ,this is a step back to 1979 as far as i am concerned and you can expect the road toll amongst motorcyclists to rise immediately after this law comes into effect.

    This law will see the return of the temporary australian a well known 70's term for motorcyclist's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Para045 View Post
    Also are you saying that if I got my RE in say May 2017 but don't sit the R class test before 30/6/18 I'd have to wait till May 2019?
    This is what I'm curious about, I got my RE in March 2017. I'm in no real rush to get the R but don't want to wait until 2019 if I'm lazy about getting my R before July.

    Though doing the test to get the R I can see being a good thing. My brother got his licence in SA where it auto upgraded after 1 year, he's only own a Ninja 250 for only a few months but he can go ride a Hyabusa tomorrow if wanted to. While at the moment I have to sit another test before I can do the same thing, and I ride a bike that's bigger then what my brother has ever ridden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by westy74 View Post
    Of course riders fatalities will increase!! Most R-E learner riders are taught on pathetic 150-200cc bikes and do minimal lessons. Scrape through a ridiculously easy licence test and then get progressively worse in their riding and roadcraft skills.. The removal of the R class assessment is nothing but a cost cutting exercise by the Government budget cuts to all public sectors ( Police, Hospitals, Transport etc) .

    The removal of this vital area of re-assessment is absolute craziness, it will cost a lot of motorcycle instructors there livelihood too, will be a great time to be in the funeral parlour business Im guessing

    It also goes to prove that money is and alway will be more important than actual road safety and saving lives
    Because that retest on the minimum specification of bike in the same piss easy conditions shows what exactly? It shows I can sit on a bike for 20 minutes and not fall off, if I fail I can come back next week and have another shot until eventually I pass, then go and get a litre bike and still can't ride for shit.

    Compulsary x hours with an instructor on set skills and attitude would be more beneficial. With the instructor given the ability to force an increase to y hours if they deem it to be required.

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    So it is true...
    I can see there are going to be some serious accidents, probably within the first week or so of people getting a bigger bike.
    It means I can go from a heady 10-12HP(maybe) to a Hayabusa(for instance).
    That's a massive step up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ELIMN8R View Post
    So it is true...
    I can see there are going to be some serious accidents, probably within the first week or so of people getting a bigger bike.
    It means I can go from a heady 10-12HP(maybe) to a Hayabusa(for instance).
    That's a massive step up...
    How is that any different to the current system we have ? You could spend your RE restriction on a postie, and then buy and ride a busa the day you pass your R class test. The R class test does not give you the required skillset to handle a motorcycle at speed, so your post is irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -JC- View Post
    I hope that this, combined with the reduction of post licence rider and driver training providers doesn't adversely impact on road toll.

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    Doubtful. The largest contributors to the motorcycle death toll are harleys and unregistered dirt bikes, and I don't see either of those two groups giving two fucks about licensing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneville View Post
    Yes it is finally happening, still trying to source the DOT Official documentation, but for now ...

    From July 1st 2018, people who have had their RE license for more than 24 months will be automatically upgraded to the R. This means if you have done your RE license less than 24 months you will have to wait.

    The rules donít change till the July 1st so anyone that has had your license for over 12 months or would have it for 12 months before July 1st, you can upgrade your license and avoiding waiting an extra 12 months.

    So unless you want to have to wait the full 24 months, or part thereof, GO DO YOUR R TEST NOW


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    Of course riders fatalities will increase!! Most R-E learner riders are taught on pathetic 150-200cc bikes and do minimal lessons. Scrape through a ridiculously easy licence test and then get progressively worse in their riding and roadcraft skills.. The removal of the R class assessment is nothing but a cost cutting exercise by the Government budget cuts to all public sectors ( Police, Hospitals, Transport etc) .

    The removal of this vital area of re-assessment is absolute craziness, it will cost a lot of motorcycle instructors there livelihood too, will be a great time to be in the funeral parlour business Im guessing

    It also goes to prove that money is and alway will be more important than actual road safety and saving lives
    Eh, I did my R class test not long ago and I don't think I learnt a damn thing about being a safer rider, only refreshed my skills on passing a test.

    I do think a day course at a rider training facility like, I dunno RAC or Barbs, would be a way better option though.
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    I guess possibly, D.O.T.will making some changes to how the assessment will be carry out.
    An what about infringements within that 24month period, will that affect the end result,
    With interduction of L.A.M.S in 2013,people been able to buy Physical bigger bikes,itís seems only inevitable that this may have been in their sight some time ago.
    You have give respect before you get respect!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by westy74 View Post
    Of course riders fatalities will increase!! Most R-E learner riders are taught on pathetic 150-200cc bikes and do minimal lessons. Scrape through a ridiculously easy licence test and then get progressively worse in their riding and roadcraft skills.. The removal of the R class assessment is nothing but a cost cutting exercise by the Government budget cuts to all public sectors ( Police, Hospitals, Transport etc) .

    The removal of this vital area of re-assessment is absolute craziness, it will cost a lot of motorcycle instructors there livelihood too, will be a great time to be in the funeral parlour business Im guessing

    It also goes to prove that money is and alway will be more important than actual road safety and saving lives
    Did you not see the tv news?

    The new cameras that take rearward photographs will more than adequately cover the need for rider training and skills assessment.
    Remember these cameras are to keep us safe!

    "ASK". Advanced Skill Kompetancy transition courses will be developed from the money saved to assist any displaced ride instructors in to more meaningful employment as "RSE's" Road Safety Enforcers ( speed camera operators). A small levy placed on motorcyclists will cover any shortfall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneville View Post
    Yes it is finally happening, still trying to source the DOT Official documentation, but for now ...

    From July 1st 2018, people who have had their RE license for more than 24 months will be automatically upgraded to the R. This means if you have done your RE license less than 24 months you will have to wait.

    The rules donít change till the July 1st so anyone that has had your license for over 12 months or would have it for 12 months before July 1st, you can upgrade your license and avoiding waiting an extra 12 months.

    So unless you want to have to wait the full 24 months, or part thereof, GO DO YOUR R TEST NOW
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryanoceros View Post
    How is that any different to the current system we have ? You could spend your RE restriction on a postie, and then buy and ride a busa the day you pass your R class test. The R class test does not give you the required skillset to handle a motorcycle at speed, so your post is irrelevant.
    Um I'll go even one better than that, he could pass his test on a CBR125, then go buy a Busa and ride that around with an R class shadow for the next year, currently and a few PSBer's have done this

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeL View Post
    Source?
    Most instructors would know something is happening in the near future, source is from a couple of them and an assessor, oh and a plod or two, so quite a few people know there is a change coming, it's just the nitty gritty's they are working out atm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneville View Post
    Um I'll go even one better than that, he could pass his test on a CBR125, then go buy a Busa and ride that around with an R class shadow for the next year, currently and a few PSBer's have done this
    At least someone is there to hopefully pull them up and help them get some experience on the motorcycle.

    The trouble is sandra most of the people who like the idea were not even born when the country said enough to muscle cars and superbikes ,they didn't see the carnage like you and andy and guy's like agrid, gsx ,graelin and others witnessed ,the days of the horror high speed crash are gone these day's ,so why are we trying to bring them back.
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