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    Advice needed.

    This is the second time we have developed a block....beginning to wish we hadnt...but water under the bridge etc... A problem we faced last time was a retaining wall failing being blamed on what we were doing despite it being like that before we even started. It was a case of insufficient retaining being overwhelmed by excess back filling and a lying cunt of a neighbour.

    We had to rectify his mistake at our cost...hope his cock fell off and a passing stray snached it up and fucked off into the sunset.

    Fore-warned is fore-armed the retaining wall this time has vertical fractures in two places....an airial shot shows a swimming pool...which I suspect has overcome the walls integrity. So we need an inspection that would stand up in court should the same thing happen this time.

    My question is....does anyone want toast (Red Dwarf).....no my real question is anyone here done the same thing and who did they use.

    Many thanks for any assistance.
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    My little brother i a builder and does inspections pre and post purchase not sure if he could help
    But he may know someone who could his name is Paul 0407532037

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    Thanks guys will contact structere...used them for surveys in the past.
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    An excellent alternative. Foundation engineering.

    http://fegroup.net.au/company/fondex/

    The advantage is an estimate on repair which could be used in price negotiation. A lot of old retaining walls in Perth rotate and fail.

    EDIT: I've used structere, yes they do a lot of work. Fondex are specialists for this work.
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    We need report to say what condition the wall is in before we do anything...so the owner cannot blame us for its current condition and stick us with a repair bill.
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    Roger. You already own the place. Existing wall is cracked. You are going to do some earthworks. Guessing a 70's limestone or a twinside? Yeah Structere are fine for it but it's already cracked?

    You may know a bit about this from your previous experience but if not:

    Has it rotated? Is it bulging? Is it a low wall? Face should not be vertical but a couple of degrees off the vertical. If the top is leaning over a little time will take it's toll and when they go...

    Old boundary retaining walls are effectively treated as dividing fences. Rectificaltion cost is usually proportioned on an estimate of original ground level and the cut to fill ratio. If you do need to talk about it beer will be required.
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    This wall is full limestone and about 2 1/2 to 3 metres high The crack is from the top down a joint then across the full height of one limestone block and continues down to the ground. The two sections are out of alignment by approximately 4mm at this point ....these are the big stones...approx 300 x 300 by 500 long. I strongly suspect the owner....an 'architect'...had a pool put in after the wall was built. This is not an old wall...probably 5 to 8 years old....we would be able to find out as he has an extension to the rear of his house done fairly recently.

    I know retaining walls are treated as dividing fences but if he has overloaded his I would hope the legal situation would be he is liable for repairs.There is no evidence that it leans back towards his property which leads me to believe it was just a plain wall then he had the area filled in to bring his pool up to the same level as his house. A similar wall I built a few years ago had limestone blocks placed backwards to the front elevation to give stability.


    Our block has a drop of around 500mm to 750 mm from the rear of the existing house to the rear fence and his probably followed this level too....or even more since he is slightly higher up the rise of the street than we are

    Twinside is not a very good retaining system IMO if a house or fill is placed anywhere above the half way point...unless supported both sides.

    Anyway we will get documented evidence of this walls condition before we have any work done.

    Ps I am drinking a beer as I type...does that count?...I am all for catching up to chat about this if you have some extra info.
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    Now that's a worry. Yes we may have to catch up. Had to rectify several. Have one development right now where we're monitoring the wall after excavating to relieve pressure. It was going to blow!

    That one is a 4 metre wall on a vacant site. I have the original 70's drawings. Design was fine but shooftee construction and no backing blocks. ie. It had NO footing. Amazed it didn't fail and kill someone years ago.

    Neighbour isn't happy because I not talk to him. Well he said bad words at me and would text and phone to say them at 3am

    Thinks we have to pay 100% because retaining our dirt. I have the original contours. Seems his cut pretty much equals our fill but at this stage of negotiations he doesn't know this. Feel a bit sad for him because what's going to happen will make him very unhappy.

    I used Fondex on another wall for grout injection. Far cheaper than a new wall and structually sound.
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    I used Fondex for the first wall repair...we had to pay...the nextdoor neighbour insisted we had caused the fail despite it being like that before any work commenced and the bastard of a council inspector agreed with him. I kid you not the wall had rotated about 10 degrees past vertical and you could tell it was his fault by how much he had back filled....and the wall not being stained by bore water at its base.

    This time we will insist the council inspect it pre work commencmnt and get him to repair his damage if need be...and they had better be prepared for a legal fight if they dont.
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    You were done over. Council is not the arbiter.

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    While I'm at it. A certain engineering firm did certify terraced twinside 3 metres and guess what happened to them. So subsequent design had the top wall limited to 1.2 metres. With a 1.5 metre terrace...

    Yep no load within a setback that equals the height. Open fencing specified because closed fencing has a wind load. Such shoddy shit.

    Concrete panel and post like twinside started life in the '80's as sound proof fencing then some bright spark decided it was good for retaining....
    I know this because I was working as a labourer for a sucker contractor.

    Crazy stuff.

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    The council inspector refused to give final approval which stopped us selling the property untill the wall was repaired to their specification...same for a rear fence that he didnt like. The rules may have changed, or as you say, we may have been duped by the little hitler who was running the show back then. I certainly have not found them to be much better this time round.
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    Contact Structerre and request a "dilapidation report" on the neighbouring propertie(s) and specifically mention the wall in question.

    They give you a nice little report with pictures and such. Dated and signed and so on.

    Before we build any new house or major renovations we do it to all neighbouring houses so we are covered and there is no arguments over whether cracks are new or old and what may or may not have caused them.

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    Will do I am going to give structere a bell...wont be for a while...we wont be starting till early October.
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