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    WA Motorcycle Survey


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    I would highly discourage taking part in any surveys. The more they know about our riding and our habits the more they can legislate against them.

    There is only 1 valid survey/poll question;

    "Are West Australian car drivers worthless, incompetent mouth breathing fuckwits?"

    • Yes
    • Yes
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    Yes, the only outcome of the survey will be motorcycle specific penalties.

    The law at the moment in relation to overtaking applies to all vehicles.

    Motorcyclists use the existing law to remain safe. To avoid being caught up in dangerous traffic congestions.

    Imposing new motorcyclist specific laws which will place us in danger through rear end crashes is wrong.
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    Yep my first thoughts were along the lines of the above two posts, thanks for putting words to my thoughts.

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    Maybe I'm confused.
    They telling me that they are legalising lane filtering.
    There is currently no offence for lane filtering or splitting in the road traffic code but they are introducing an offence for lane splitting over 30km/h. And maybe offences for lane filtering in school zones and wherever else they decide.
    So they are legalising lane filtering by introducing new offences?


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    ^^ nah just checking to see if you are aware of the road rules....^^

    Then using that against you a) in a court of law
    b) via legislation
    c) applying fine upgrades..etc etc...
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    You're on the money -JC- a motorcycle specific penalty for something we already do. What they call filtering is not illegal now. What they call splitting is illegal now and will be illegal.

    Passing @< 30kph is effectively passing stationary or almost stationary vehicles.

    That is legal right now.

    Do 1kph over and that will be illegal.

    There is one outcome. Indecision by riders trapped surrounded by cars and eventually rear ended. Our most frequent 2 vehicle collision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZAZL View Post
    You're on the money -JC- a motorcycle specific penalty for something we already do. What they call filtering is not illegal now.
    I think the idea (or at least hope) behind making it 'legal' means you don't have to worry about laws regarding riding on the line, passing on the left, indicating etc. These would be overruled by the maneuver that is "Filtering"

    And you can't have a legal maneuver without a penalty for breaking it. The 30km/h limit is ridiculous though :/

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    on a scale of 1 to 5 how concerned or you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alternate View Post
    I think the idea (or at least hope) behind making it 'legal' means you don't have to worry about laws regarding riding on the line, passing on the left, indicating etc. These would be overruled by the maneuver that is "Filtering"

    And you can't have a legal maneuver without a penalty for breaking it. The 30km/h limit is ridiculous though :/
    They will not allow us to cross a solid white line. At 2, 5, 10, 30. That is the crux. You will not be allowed to filter down to the front of the lights past the solid white line. Yes, it's a TRAP.

    What the new laws will do is make more difficult, arguing a legal defence that has been used successfully in the past for freeway speed passing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZAZL View Post
    and eventually rear ended. Our most frequent 2 vehicle collision.
    I don't think it is the most frequent. These images are from the MAIDS report. Getting old but pretty comprehensive and trends like these are unlikely to have changed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster View Post
    I don't think it is the most frequent. These images are from the MAIDS report. Getting old but pretty comprehensive and trends like these are unlikely to have changed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AZAZL View Post
    I may be doing FAKE NEWS

    As penance I'll find better data.
    no probs. Rear enders are certainly a big risk in my view. I wonder if the low occurrence in that report is actually BECAUSE we split. I guess we could work that one out by seeing what percentage of accidents in cars are a rear end shunt. (Maybe finding those figures can be your penance ) If significantly higher maybe we could draw the conclusion that splitting is good. Hard one to prove though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZAZL View Post
    They will not allow us to cross a solid white line. At 2, 5, 10, 30. That is the crux. You will not be allowed to filter down to the front of the lights past the solid white line. Yes, it's a TRAP.
    Well... that sucks :/

    Edit: According to QLD legislation, a rider can ride on or across a solid white when filtering, so hopefully they copy that.
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    If it was about safety, we'd be allowed to filter to a 'bike box' at the head of the lights as many other bike friendly countries do.

    Some lights here have them, a green area for cyclists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZAZL View Post
    If it was about safety, we'd be allowed to filter to a 'bike box' at the head of the lights as many other bike friendly countries do.
    Just occurred to me we're talking about different things. I hadn't even though of crossing over the line to get in front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alternate View Post
    Just occurred to me we're talking about different things. I hadn't even though of crossing over the line to get in front.
    Yeah, both solid white lines. The split or filter to the front of lights will not occur. you'll be forced to filter only to the solid white lane dividing line from the broken line. Will put money on that one.

    Ideally, we should be able to ignore the solid white lane dividing line to the lights and also position ourselves ahead of the cars at the front of the lights, over the white band there.

    There are a few lights with green bicycle boxes, where the cyclist can go to take off in front of cars. Motorcyclists should be able to do the same.
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    The other thing there is they are "asking for input on" if im reading right from the general public including mainly non bike riders is to stiffen up the licensing for LAMS AND the jump to Open class? make the open test a higher pass mark. im not sure if making the R class bike a higher test pass will solve any "perceived" issue. in isolation everyone can handle an r class bike within the posted speed limit. i thought there was a suggestion before everybody gets a R class after 2 years LAMS, theyve adopted the 2 year LAMS thing AND want to make R harder?
    I cant help it if your perceptions don't match my reality



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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretic View Post
    The other thing there is they are "asking for input on" if im reading right from the general public including mainly non bike riders...
    ^^^This.
    "3. Do you have a current WA driverís licence, motorcycle or moped licence? "
    So it looks like as long as you have a license you are eligible to participate...I can imagine the input the vast majority of drivers will have regarding splitting/filtering.
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