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    Never charge your lipo bats unattended....

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    Season still going ahead. Has been confirmed no bikes charging at time of fire: http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2019/0...revised/286858

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    "Clean Energy"
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    Short circuit cause of MotoE bike fire: https://www.autosport.com/motogp/new...estroyed-bikes

    In a brief statement issued on Friday, the series revealed that the fire started as a result of a short circuit.

    The fire then spread to the flammable high-density battery.

    "Initial evidence regarding the cause of the fire at the E-paddock of the FIM Enel MotoE World Cup at the Circuito de Jerez-Angel Nieto on March 14 seems to point to a short circuit as the main cause of the incident," it said.

    "The source of the short circuit has yet to be identified but, once the fire broke out, it ignited the high-density battery which is part of the high-performance charger used at MotoE events.

    "The motorbikes were not connected to the charging infrastructure at the time the fire began."

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    "Not connected to the charging infrastructure...."

    As that would void the insurance policy guidelines.
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    Stalker alert!!!

    Hi Para.. how's the 'prison' you call work..?
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    "short circuit"... yeah, always the sparky's fault.
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    Stalker alert!!!

    Hi Para.. how's the 'prison' you call work..?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Para045 View Post
    Always busy when you are looking after the worst elements of society all together in one place
    The prisoners are pretty average as well.
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    Bautista dominating again in Thailand. Considering he had no prospect of getting a factory ride in MotoGP, being unable to find a ride was the best thing that ever happened to him.
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    He's making a fool of wsbk. No one could beat Rea but Bautista is flogging him every race. Good on him. I've noticed its a bit of a thing for motorcycle racers to reach their peak form late in the career.

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    There were others that should have lost their seat before him, even without his good results towards the end of the season. Granted, Ducati have 2K extra revs but look at where the next Duc is... credit to Bautista where credit is due. It could also be a little bit of Kwaka being caught with their development pants down, like Yamaha was in motogp a few years back... or it could just be that Bautista is outclassing them all. Rea would be spewing after so much dominance.

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    On Bautista kicking arse:

    With another weekend of domination looming at his home track of Motorland Aragon in round three, Bautista is aware that Dorna/FIM may take 250 revs – or more - off him soon, under the sporting regulations that try and maintain competitiveness for all.
    https://www.bikesportnews.com/news/n...cess-penalties

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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeBloke View Post
    Yeah I read that article about an hour after I posted. Looking closer at it now I'm of the opinion it must be a downforce thing. It appears to create low pressure seemingly turbulent air in front of the tyre (which is an area that normally is high pressure). It must be creating downforce. My guess now is that it is for anti wheelie at high speed.
    Yup.

    I was pretty sure that the whole "its for cooling the rear tyre" thing was BS (but hey, if you're ducati PR of course you'll agree with or not correct that assumption in order to keep your true purposes secret from the other teams until they do their own testing). Because that's just going to give you a disadvantage at the start of the race. That's what the media assumes, but I'll wager it is more complicated than that. May even find it is for additional engine cooling and/or enhanced front downforce; the vacuum in front of that little rear spoiler would maybe help draw more air through the fairing from the front...

    Gigi is a fucking genius. Hats off to Ducati for pushing the envelope in MotoGP and the whole "waah this isn't legal" bullshit from the other teams is just sour grapes.

    Read the rule book, push the limits. This is how motorsport evolves. Until they EXPLICITLY ban it, you push the boundary.

    The other teams have not been pushing ANYTHING in recent years (except maybe IMU games) - the whole aero thing was started by Ducati and these new aero parts are just another example of their (Gigi's) technical leadership.

    I'll be the first to give Ducati road bikes and their owners shit, but in MotoGP they are doing great things.


    SBK on the other hand. Bautista is what happens when you give a MotoGP calibre rider an extra 2000 rpm on the competition, with an otherwise competitive bike.

    I'm honestly not sure what WSBK expected to happen there... What they should do is mandate an RPM limit for all the factories to abide by (lets say, 14,500 rpm to control costs?) and then everybody build their sports bikes around that. They already have controls for max bore size to limit valve size and shortening of stroke (which was a previous effort to control RPM via piston speed physical limits), this would be no different. This would force the teams to go chasing power via something actually innovative, rather than just shifting the powerband ever higher (via more expensive internal parts made of unobtanium and top end rpm biases that have no relation to the street bike), and in turn giving us ever more peaky and useless (at any sort of reasonable speed) sports bikes for the road.

    This knee-jerk RPM limiting on an ad-hoc basis is exactly that. Knee-jerk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thro View Post
    Yup.

    I was pretty sure that the whole "its for cooling the rear tyre" thing was BS (but hey, if you're ducati PR of course you'll agree with or not correct that assumption in order to keep your true purposes secret from the other teams until they do their own testing). Because that's just going to give you a disadvantage at the start of the race. That's what the media assumes, but I'll wager it is more complicated than that. May even find it is for additional engine cooling and/or enhanced front downforce; the vacuum in front of that little rear spoiler would maybe help draw more air through the fairing from the front...

    Gigi is a fucking genius. Hats off to Ducati for pushing the envelope in MotoGP and the whole "waah this isn't legal" bullshit from the other teams is just sour grapes.

    Read the rule book, push the limits. This is how motorsport evolves. Until they EXPLICITLY ban it, you push the boundary.

    The other teams have not been pushing ANYTHING in recent years (except maybe IMU games) - the whole aero thing was started by Ducati and these new aero parts are just another example of their (Gigi's) technical leadership.

    I'll be the first to give Ducati road bikes and their owners shit, but in MotoGP they are doing great things.


    SBK on the other hand. Bautista is what happens when you give a MotoGP calibre rider an extra 2000 rpm on the competition, with an otherwise competitive bike.

    I'm honestly not sure what WSBK expected to happen there... What they should do is mandate an RPM limit for all the factories to abide by (lets say, 14,500 rpm to control costs?) and then everybody build their sports bikes around that. They already have controls for max bore size to limit valve size and shortening of stroke (which was a previous effort to control RPM via piston speed physical limits), this would be no different. This would force the teams to go chasing power via something actually innovative, rather than just shifting the powerband ever higher (via more expensive internal parts made of unobtanium and top end rpm biases that have no relation to the street bike), and in turn giving us ever more peaky and useless (at any sort of reasonable speed) sports bikes for the road.

    This knee-jerk RPM limiting on an ad-hoc basis is exactly that. Knee-jerk.
    Ducati also hired 3 former F1 Aero engineers a few years ago (1 from Ferrari) to sort the mess that is bike aerodynamics.

    Their whole job was to exploit the rules and find loopholes.


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    talking ducati & ferrari

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...l-here-to-stay

    do you think maybe ducati will have to remove all logos at Phillip island like Ferrari just did at Albert park

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    Quote Originally Posted by rubin View Post
    Ducati also hired 3 former F1 Aero engineers a few years ago (1 from Ferrari) to sort the mess that is bike aerodynamics.

    Their whole job was to exploit the rules and find loopholes.
    If you're any sort of engineer on any race team, this is (virtually) 100% your job.

    Push the rules in ways that are not explicitly forbidden until a new rule is added to ban it.


    Honda used to push this a lot harder (Oval pistons in the NR, anyone?), at the moment they've been doing it via sensors, but Ducati are the aero leaders at the moment. And, from the shots of the hole-shot device, leading in other areas too.


    Teams in MotoGP have previously been mostly able to rely on the rider making the difference. Not to shit on the old guard (the days of Doohan, Gardner, Rainey, Schwantz, etc.), but back in the 90s and 00s there was nowhere near the same level and breadth of talent in the paddock. If you were a top rider, the chances are you were one of 2-3 guys in the field with those abilities. And maybe you had a hot tyre from Michelin made last night, that the other guys couldn't get.

    The riders are all so close now (with control tyres as well); the bike is becoming just as important - the rider can't make as much of a difference when they're ALL alien level freak and all have the same tyres. Gaining 0.05 of a second per lap via aero tricks adds up in an era when races are often won by less than a tenth.

    The MotoGP guys really need to look at the shenanigans that F1 and Nascar engineers get up to. Especially with Aero. They're both heavily regulated series and both of them are hot-beds for technical innovation within the extremely strict rule-sets they have. The teams that aren't pushing the rules like Ducati can either get on board or get left behind.

    Exploit the loop-hole until the rules are tightened, then move onto the next trick.
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    Article on the tyre cooling vs aero device debacle - covering court of appeal members, proposing the F1 way forward for dealing with grey areas and links between Ducati and Ferrari
    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/o...motogp-results

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    As per that link; allowing this until season end is the only fair way. There’s nothing to stop the others following suit just like when the wings first appeared.

    Race on Sunday, results determined mid week would be a farce.
    “Crashing is shit for you, shit for the bike, shit for the mechanics and shit for the set-up,” Checa told me a while back. “It’s a signal that you are heading in the wrong direction. You want to win but crashing is the opposite. It’s like being in France when you want to go to England and when you crash you go to Spain. That way you’ll never get to England!” -- Carlos Checa

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